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	<title>Comments on: [Review] The Crafstman</title>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised you only gave this 4 stars.  Why the holdout?

Some haphazard thoughts:

*&quot;Can policies or cultural norms be developed to encourage craftsmanship?&quot; This is a fascinating question.  I&#039;m pondering taking a class this spring called &quot;Philosophical Problems of Economic Justice.&quot;  The final project is to design your own economic system that you think promotes your idea of social justice and value.  Could be really interesting to use this as a jumping-off point.  

*Ever since Western History 101 in college, I&#039;ve spent a lot of time thinking that it seems capitalism and communism are flawed in mirror image ways: one takes too much account of individuality, the other not enough.  I&#039;ve wondered if the reason American capitalist culture is so materialistic (or, anti-craft) is not because we value speed and profit (though we do) but because we place too much value on going it alone/competition/etc.  The sense of community you spell out that&#039;s necessary for craftsmanship to be fostered is almost anathema to the ideal of the American Dream.

*(Maybe this belongs as a comment on your Virtuosity post, but for convenience sake I&#039;m putting it here)  Given your ambivalence about higher education, I&#039;m interested to hear what you think about Uwem Akpan&#039;s description of his experience in the MFA program at Michigan:

&quot;This has been my first experience of workshops. The group is very close-knit; the teachers are always there for us. I don’t know how they do it, because they are also novelists and poets and parents. They always have time to read our stuff and offer a shoulder to the broken-hearted.&quot;

On one hand, these can be pretty competitive programs to get into.  On the other, this is a good example of the state funding craftsman mentorship programs to me, no?  Is maybe one utility of universities in the new century to be a place where craftsmanship (as opposed to virtuosity) is practiced?

*I found myself thinking back to our conversation in Ljubljana about whether specific types of people (actors, athletes) could be considered crafts(wo)men if they weren&#039;t really &quot;producing&quot; anything even though they approach their work with the same ideals.  Now that you&#039;ve read the book (and since, in your virtuosity post, you&#039;re talking specifically about competition between countries--no bigger competition btwn countries than the Olympics) I&#039;m wondering if you have more thoughts on that question?

*Having read this post while at my mom&#039;s house, I couldn&#039;t help but think about the relationship between craftsmanship and frugality.  I was going back and forth on whether they were complementary or opposed ideas.  With frugality, there&#039;s a sense of utility as the highest good that I&#039;m not sure is in line with doing your best work for its sake alone.  On the other hand, frugality really values something that&#039;s made well, and frugal people are often willing to pay more for something they know is a better product because they know that it has lasting value.  Since I think you embody the virtues of both craftsmanship and frugality, I&#039;m wondering if you have thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised you only gave this 4 stars.  Why the holdout?</p>
<p>Some haphazard thoughts:</p>
<p>*&#8221;Can policies or cultural norms be developed to encourage craftsmanship?&#8221; This is a fascinating question.  I&#8217;m pondering taking a class this spring called &#8220;Philosophical Problems of Economic Justice.&#8221;  The final project is to design your own economic system that you think promotes your idea of social justice and value.  Could be really interesting to use this as a jumping-off point.  </p>
<p>*Ever since Western History 101 in college, I&#8217;ve spent a lot of time thinking that it seems capitalism and communism are flawed in mirror image ways: one takes too much account of individuality, the other not enough.  I&#8217;ve wondered if the reason American capitalist culture is so materialistic (or, anti-craft) is not because we value speed and profit (though we do) but because we place too much value on going it alone/competition/etc.  The sense of community you spell out that&#8217;s necessary for craftsmanship to be fostered is almost anathema to the ideal of the American Dream.</p>
<p>*(Maybe this belongs as a comment on your Virtuosity post, but for convenience sake I&#8217;m putting it here)  Given your ambivalence about higher education, I&#8217;m interested to hear what you think about Uwem Akpan&#8217;s description of his experience in the MFA program at Michigan:</p>
<p>&#8220;This has been my first experience of workshops. The group is very close-knit; the teachers are always there for us. I don’t know how they do it, because they are also novelists and poets and parents. They always have time to read our stuff and offer a shoulder to the broken-hearted.&#8221;</p>
<p>On one hand, these can be pretty competitive programs to get into.  On the other, this is a good example of the state funding craftsman mentorship programs to me, no?  Is maybe one utility of universities in the new century to be a place where craftsmanship (as opposed to virtuosity) is practiced?</p>
<p>*I found myself thinking back to our conversation in Ljubljana about whether specific types of people (actors, athletes) could be considered crafts(wo)men if they weren&#8217;t really &#8220;producing&#8221; anything even though they approach their work with the same ideals.  Now that you&#8217;ve read the book (and since, in your virtuosity post, you&#8217;re talking specifically about competition between countries&#8211;no bigger competition btwn countries than the Olympics) I&#8217;m wondering if you have more thoughts on that question?</p>
<p>*Having read this post while at my mom&#8217;s house, I couldn&#8217;t help but think about the relationship between craftsmanship and frugality.  I was going back and forth on whether they were complementary or opposed ideas.  With frugality, there&#8217;s a sense of utility as the highest good that I&#8217;m not sure is in line with doing your best work for its sake alone.  On the other hand, frugality really values something that&#8217;s made well, and frugal people are often willing to pay more for something they know is a better product because they know that it has lasting value.  Since I think you embody the virtues of both craftsmanship and frugality, I&#8217;m wondering if you have thoughts.</p>
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