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	<title>Comments on: SA bloggers are thriving in cyberspace. They just aren&#8217;t nearly diverse enough.</title>
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		<title>By: The real conversation &#171; Hblog.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>The real conversation &#171; Hblog.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (again) diverting us away from what the real conversation should be about - and that&#8217;s where the South African blogging community is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Open data please! &#171; Hblog.org</title>
		<link>http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2008/12/07/sa-bloggers-are-thriving-in-cyberspace-they-just-arent-nearly-diverse-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-239682</link>
		<dc:creator>Open data please! &#171; Hblog.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]    David Sasaki mentioned the lack of open data in last year&#8217;s 24.com SA blogger survey in this post, but it was glossed over, I guess, because of his more controversial statements about blogger [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]    David Sasaki mentioned the lack of open data in last year&#8217;s 24.com SA blogger survey in this post, but it was glossed over, I guess, because of his more controversial statements about blogger [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Love to the World &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Center of Science and Technology: Help me make these students famous!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Love to the World &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Center of Science and Technology: Help me make these students famous!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is on top of the innovation, online applications, mobile technology. Make sure there will not be another heated discussion about the color of the South African blogger. Invest in the future! Be the change you want to see in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joy-Mari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy-Mari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted this comment on Heather Ford&#039;s blog: 

&quot;I think I’m finally getting it. Black people have the opportunity [finally!] to become content producers. We can finally rewrite the negative stereotypes that exist. We can write our own stories. And we’re not doing it.

I do, however, think that the points you and David made do not take into account black people’s apathy. It exists. Not sure why but it does. Perhaps we should ask why black people are not blogging instead. And perhaps we should ask why black people are not attending these events. We should also ask why they use closed blogging platforms such as Bruin-ou.com instead of WP and Blogger.

Heather, I don’t think people from different social circles *will* interact. Or want to interact. Your thoughts on this?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this comment on Heather Ford&#8217;s blog: </p>
<p>&#8220;I think I’m finally getting it. Black people have the opportunity [finally!] to become content producers. We can finally rewrite the negative stereotypes that exist. We can write our own stories. And we’re not doing it.</p>
<p>I do, however, think that the points you and David made do not take into account black people’s apathy. It exists. Not sure why but it does. Perhaps we should ask why black people are not blogging instead. And perhaps we should ask why black people are not attending these events. We should also ask why they use closed blogging platforms such as Bruin-ou.com instead of WP and Blogger.</p>
<p>Heather, I don’t think people from different social circles *will* interact. Or want to interact. Your thoughts on this?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bloggers should drive diversity? Why? &#124; Paul Jacobson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bloggers should drive diversity? Why? &#124; Paul Jacobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] doing enough to draw a more diverse group of bloggers into the local blogosphere. She pointed to a post by David Sasaki where he talks about the lack of diversity in the South African social Web and voiced her opinion [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Heather Ford</title>
		<link>http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2008/12/07/sa-bloggers-are-thriving-in-cyberspace-they-just-arent-nearly-diverse-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-239443</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Vincent, re. &#039;I think this post lacks both subtlety and a depth of understanding of the way South Africans use new media.&#039; 

Sound familiar? Sounds like a time in history when white South Africans would refuse to listen to any criticism because others *just didn&#039;t understand the uniqueness of the South African situation.*

As David says, this is a very specific criticism about the blogging community in South Africa refusing to see dialogue and development as a responsibility. 

I think there&#039;s enough people who care enough about this issue to do something about it. If others don&#039;t see it as important, then that&#039;s ok. I just don&#039;t think it&#039;s helpful to cloud the issue by being defensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vincent, re. &#8216;I think this post lacks both subtlety and a depth of understanding of the way South Africans use new media.&#8217; </p>
<p>Sound familiar? Sounds like a time in history when white South Africans would refuse to listen to any criticism because others *just didn&#8217;t understand the uniqueness of the South African situation.*</p>
<p>As David says, this is a very specific criticism about the blogging community in South Africa refusing to see dialogue and development as a responsibility. </p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s enough people who care enough about this issue to do something about it. If others don&#8217;t see it as important, then that&#8217;s ok. I just don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s helpful to cloud the issue by being defensive.</p>
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		<title>By: oso</title>
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		<dc:creator>oso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vincent,

I understand and appreciate your concerns, but I don&#039;t see how they fit in with this post. What I&#039;m advocating for is more interaction, inclusion, and dialogue ... not more homogeneity. Those are two very different concepts. Otherwise you are equating heterogeneity with segregation, which is ridiculous.

It is a shame to hear that, rather than giving the tools and training for Soweto&#039;s youth to make their own documentaries, Mobikasi was produced by others. Given the cost of mobile data connections in South Africa, Vodacom will obviously make a nice earning from those who download the videos to their mobile phones, but what does Soweto get? In my book that&#039;s on-behalfism and exploitation, not promotion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vincent,</p>
<p>I understand and appreciate your concerns, but I don&#8217;t see how they fit in with this post. What I&#8217;m advocating for is more interaction, inclusion, and dialogue &#8230; not more homogeneity. Those are two very different concepts. Otherwise you are equating heterogeneity with segregation, which is ridiculous.</p>
<p>It is a shame to hear that, rather than giving the tools and training for Soweto&#8217;s youth to make their own documentaries, Mobikasi was produced by others. Given the cost of mobile data connections in South Africa, Vodacom will obviously make a nice earning from those who download the videos to their mobile phones, but what does Soweto get? In my book that&#8217;s on-behalfism and exploitation, not promotion.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent Maher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent Maher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David, my main issue with the insistence on diversity is that the thinking behind it often tends to pursue a notion of homogeneity in society - that we must all access the same technology and use it in the same way.  The main point of my comment was that bloggers and social media pundits seem to think that everyone must be doing what they are, and this is a symptom of the rampant egotism in that space.

The work we did in Soweto had nothing to do with training, it was about producing media in that social context, promoting the place, the local personalities and brands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David, my main issue with the insistence on diversity is that the thinking behind it often tends to pursue a notion of homogeneity in society &#8211; that we must all access the same technology and use it in the same way.  The main point of my comment was that bloggers and social media pundits seem to think that everyone must be doing what they are, and this is a symptom of the rampant egotism in that space.</p>
<p>The work we did in Soweto had nothing to do with training, it was about producing media in that social context, promoting the place, the local personalities and brands.</p>
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		<title>By: We&#8217;re not trying hard enough&#8230; in fact, we&#8217;re not trying at all &#171; Hblog.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>We&#8217;re not trying hard enough&#8230; in fact, we&#8217;re not trying at all &#171; Hblog.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] South Africa &#124; by novelheather    So glad that David Sasaki had stirred the pot a bit with his recent post about the South African blogging community not being nearly diverse [...]</description>
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		<title>By: oso</title>
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		<dc:creator>oso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vincent,

I don&#039;t think I ever stated otherwise. In fact, I mentioned the fact that there are more mobile internet users than desktop. And you&#039;re right, O&#039;Reilly Web conferences are horribly elitist and lack anything resembling diversity. I&#039;ve brought that up many times before.

To call any training program patronising, however, is to try and guess someone&#039;s intentions. Definition: &quot;treat with an apparent kindness that betrays a feeling of superiority.&quot;

Were you patronising us when you taught us how to use The GRID? Obviously not. You were inviting us to participate in a social space and showing us how to do it. Just like you did in Soweto. In my book that&#039;s not patronizing, that&#039;s being a good guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vincent,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I ever stated otherwise. In fact, I mentioned the fact that there are more mobile internet users than desktop. And you&#8217;re right, O&#8217;Reilly Web conferences are horribly elitist and lack anything resembling diversity. I&#8217;ve brought that up many times before.</p>
<p>To call any training program patronising, however, is to try and guess someone&#8217;s intentions. Definition: &#8220;treat with an apparent kindness that betrays a feeling of superiority.&#8221;</p>
<p>Were you patronising us when you taught us how to use The GRID? Obviously not. You were inviting us to participate in a social space and showing us how to do it. Just like you did in Soweto. In my book that&#8217;s not patronizing, that&#8217;s being a good guy.</p>
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