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		<title>By: Blurring Borders &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ninjas, Gorillas and Media&#8230; Oh My!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blurring Borders &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ninjas, Gorillas and Media&#8230; Oh My!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a skeptical look at the Ninja Gap, check this out.]  Tags: drc, gorillas, jenkins, Media, ninja gap, weinberger, zuckerman         World [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ninjas, Gorillas and Media&#8230; Oh My! &#171; Blurring Borders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ninjas, Gorillas and Media&#8230; Oh My! &#171; Blurring Borders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [For a skeptical look at the Ninja Gap, check this out.] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; Moldova, bridges and storytelling</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; Moldova, bridges and storytelling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ways. (See previous discussion on David Weinberger&#8217;s &#8220;Ninja Gap&#8221; here, here and here for lots more thoughts on storytelling, framing and media interest in developing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: lova</title>
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		<dc:creator>lova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the sequel &quot;Madagascar 2: escape to Africa&quot; about to be shown in theater, I fully expect a major hike in google search about Madagascar. As you expect, I am not thrilled that that is how Madagascar is mostly known as by  the vast majority ( and let&#039;s not talk about the escape to Africa sub-title, that is so wrong on so many levels). However, if any of this attention can trickle to a few people wanting to know more about Madagascar, Malagasy people and considering visiting the country, then I am 100% glad this movie happened.   Accidental interest is better than no interest at all, in our case, I believe. Many people came to visit the region  just on a bet and happened to contribute greatly to our development.  I thank you all for this awesome discussion and really looking forward to seeing where it will lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the sequel &#8220;Madagascar 2: escape to Africa&#8221; about to be shown in theater, I fully expect a major hike in google search about Madagascar. As you expect, I am not thrilled that that is how Madagascar is mostly known as by  the vast majority ( and let&#8217;s not talk about the escape to Africa sub-title, that is so wrong on so many levels). However, if any of this attention can trickle to a few people wanting to know more about Madagascar, Malagasy people and considering visiting the country, then I am 100% glad this movie happened.   Accidental interest is better than no interest at all, in our case, I believe. Many people came to visit the region  just on a bet and happened to contribute greatly to our development.  I thank you all for this awesome discussion and really looking forward to seeing where it will lead.</p>
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		<title>By: medea</title>
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		<dc:creator>medea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 03:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I´ve heard my fair share of podcasts trying to explain the US election system and I´m still in the shadowy part of comprehension. HOWEVER I do believe that we should take into account the same segments of the population when we make statements about... well, mostly any comparisons. If we&#039;re talking about University students studying Latin American Studies... we can expect knowledge about currency and economy and history and what-not in Latin America. However, go to Podunk, USA and  you may be hard pressed to find someone to point to Colombia in a map. Same thing here. I know enough people who take the time to read about US history, politics and other information, not on purpose, but just because it´s accessible, and I know people who have no notion of the countries on the globe. Pointed example? A classmate who asked if Hungary was far away, and when I replied it was in Europe she asked. That&#039;s far? like another continent?

Now, to answer Oso&#039;s and Ethan&#039;s question... I think it is better to not be known at all than to be known negatively. If someone plans to bring a multinational company to Uruguay, no-one will question that decision, it would be weird, but nothing to get feathers ruffled about. HOWEVER try and tell CEOs that you wish to open a franchise in Colombia, and watch them run away.  Then again, I think that it is the US that connects Colombia THAT strongly to drugs. In Costa Rica, Colombia&#039;s current image is of a land that has gone through trouble, but has beautiful women and truly hardworking people who open great bakeries. And in India, people heard Colombia and they started singing Hips don´t lie in their best Shakira interpretations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I´ve heard my fair share of podcasts trying to explain the US election system and I´m still in the shadowy part of comprehension. HOWEVER I do believe that we should take into account the same segments of the population when we make statements about&#8230; well, mostly any comparisons. If we&#8217;re talking about University students studying Latin American Studies&#8230; we can expect knowledge about currency and economy and history and what-not in Latin America. However, go to Podunk, USA and  you may be hard pressed to find someone to point to Colombia in a map. Same thing here. I know enough people who take the time to read about US history, politics and other information, not on purpose, but just because it´s accessible, and I know people who have no notion of the countries on the globe. Pointed example? A classmate who asked if Hungary was far away, and when I replied it was in Europe she asked. That&#8217;s far? like another continent?</p>
<p>Now, to answer Oso&#8217;s and Ethan&#8217;s question&#8230; I think it is better to not be known at all than to be known negatively. If someone plans to bring a multinational company to Uruguay, no-one will question that decision, it would be weird, but nothing to get feathers ruffled about. HOWEVER try and tell CEOs that you wish to open a franchise in Colombia, and watch them run away.  Then again, I think that it is the US that connects Colombia THAT strongly to drugs. In Costa Rica, Colombia&#8217;s current image is of a land that has gone through trouble, but has beautiful women and truly hardworking people who open great bakeries. And in India, people heard Colombia and they started singing Hips don´t lie in their best Shakira interpretations.</p>
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		<title>By: oso</title>
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		<dc:creator>oso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are all very good points Carolina. I&#039;m always surprised to know how few people know about the US&#039;s electoral voting system outside of the US. I&#039;ve been meaning to write a post on Obama and the US elections in Spanish. But first I have to finish the Campus Party documents and presentations. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are all very good points Carolina. I&#8217;m always surprised to know how few people know about the US&#8217;s electoral voting system outside of the US. I&#8217;ve been meaning to write a post on Obama and the US elections in Spanish. But first I have to finish the Campus Party documents and presentations. <img src='http://el-oso.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: carobotero</title>
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		<dc:creator>carobotero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not know if the americans know more of Japan than of Nigeria because of Ninjas or War... I do know that Colombia is well known for drugs... and I know we deserve it...  However I wish people will bother to see further but this just happens when you have some kind of incentive or is impressed for something. I guess that´s what happens in your case your friends have you to get involved!... that is the good part it is also a social issue. So I guess bits by bits we will tell those who want to listen that there is more, but it is difficult to dismiss drugs it is part of reallity, isn´t it?

On the other hand it is impressive for instance to confirm how we in latinamerican know a lot about american culture but little about your politics, laws or system, this is weird if you consider USA is our main commercial partner, while on the other hand it is certainly impressive to see the american university libraries about latinamerican countries laws, politics and system, plus the money they expend to analyse us... (IMPRESSIVE) ofcourse when facing multilateral or bilateral negotiations we go bared naked to  meet a misterious and powerful counterpart that we believe we know... it is funny don´t you think so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know if the americans know more of Japan than of Nigeria because of Ninjas or War&#8230; I do know that Colombia is well known for drugs&#8230; and I know we deserve it&#8230;  However I wish people will bother to see further but this just happens when you have some kind of incentive or is impressed for something. I guess that´s what happens in your case your friends have you to get involved!&#8230; that is the good part it is also a social issue. So I guess bits by bits we will tell those who want to listen that there is more, but it is difficult to dismiss drugs it is part of reallity, isn´t it?</p>
<p>On the other hand it is impressive for instance to confirm how we in latinamerican know a lot about american culture but little about your politics, laws or system, this is weird if you consider USA is our main commercial partner, while on the other hand it is certainly impressive to see the american university libraries about latinamerican countries laws, politics and system, plus the money they expend to analyse us&#8230; (IMPRESSIVE) ofcourse when facing multilateral or bilateral negotiations we go bared naked to  meet a misterious and powerful counterpart that we believe we know&#8230; it is funny don´t you think so?</p>
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		<title>By: Georgia/Caribbean Free Radio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georgia/Caribbean Free Radio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! Obviously we read the studies that suit our purposes. :)

I think that one thing we need to make room for in the all of these arguments is the sort of complexity Nicholas hints at in his comment. Japan, for instance, probably registers on the sensibilities of people for a variety of different reasons which may have to do with age (I&#039;d argue that for an American teen Ninjas and anime are probably more persuasive than the fact that the US was at war with Japan), educational level etc. 

I think it&#039;s also safe to say that Jamaica has made a stronger impression on the world than other Caribbean nations because of reggae (and, notably, Bob Marley), which would seem to corroborate David W&#039;s argument. Jamaicans, on the other hand, also often make a stronger impression on immigration officers than other Caribbean nations because of the country&#039;s associations with marijuana and crime...

Really looking forward to talking more about this.

To be honest it&#039;s never occurred to me to create a gravatar. Are they that important? Sometimes I like to let my words speak for themselves. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Obviously we read the studies that suit our purposes. <img src='http://el-oso.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think that one thing we need to make room for in the all of these arguments is the sort of complexity Nicholas hints at in his comment. Japan, for instance, probably registers on the sensibilities of people for a variety of different reasons which may have to do with age (I&#8217;d argue that for an American teen Ninjas and anime are probably more persuasive than the fact that the US was at war with Japan), educational level etc. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s also safe to say that Jamaica has made a stronger impression on the world than other Caribbean nations because of reggae (and, notably, Bob Marley), which would seem to corroborate David W&#8217;s argument. Jamaicans, on the other hand, also often make a stronger impression on immigration officers than other Caribbean nations because of the country&#8217;s associations with marijuana and crime&#8230;</p>
<p>Really looking forward to talking more about this.</p>
<p>To be honest it&#8217;s never occurred to me to create a gravatar. Are they that important? Sometimes I like to let my words speak for themselves. <img src='http://el-oso.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: oso</title>
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		<dc:creator>oso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 04:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicholas,

There is also the fact that American men (and recently women) seem to find Japanese women much more attractive than their Nigerian counterparts. Google registers 3,830,000 pages for &quot;japanese girls&quot; and 367,000 for &quot;nigerian girls&quot;. I think this also ties in to what we were talking about in Jamaica a couple weeks ago. Americans &#039;know&#039; much more about Jamaica than Trinidad and Tobago. But then, do Trinidadians and Tobagans think that&#039;s a good or bad thing?

GAP,

As I remember the research (while sipping a beer, mind you), you tend to remember what you read/hear better so long as you&#039;re in the same state as when you read/heard it. This is the reason, of course, that my college buddies and I would grab a pint before taking tests.

Ethan,

I feel like there&#039;s a contradiction between the &quot;ninja as an entry drug&quot; argument and the &quot;cognitive dissonance&quot; argument. If Americans recognize Colombia as a drug country (which they certainly do), then I would believe that they keep reading more articles about drugs in Colombia - but not articles about other aspects of Colombia.

Which leaves us a choice between a misrepresentation of a country (Cocaine Colombia) and a non-representation of a country (Uruguay). I don&#039;t want to speak for Colombians, but I have a feeling that they&#039;d prefer no representation rather than the current misrepresentation.

Cindylu,

Ha! Of course, Entourage. I&#039;m miserable when it comes to pop culture.

How is it that the four of you - all uber bloggers - don&#039;t have Gravatars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas,</p>
<p>There is also the fact that American men (and recently women) seem to find Japanese women much more attractive than their Nigerian counterparts. Google registers 3,830,000 pages for &#8220;japanese girls&#8221; and 367,000 for &#8220;nigerian girls&#8221;. I think this also ties in to what we were talking about in Jamaica a couple weeks ago. Americans &#8216;know&#8217; much more about Jamaica than Trinidad and Tobago. But then, do Trinidadians and Tobagans think that&#8217;s a good or bad thing?</p>
<p>GAP,</p>
<p>As I remember the research (while sipping a beer, mind you), you tend to remember what you read/hear better so long as you&#8217;re in the same state as when you read/heard it. This is the reason, of course, that my college buddies and I would grab a pint before taking tests.</p>
<p>Ethan,</p>
<p>I feel like there&#8217;s a contradiction between the &#8220;ninja as an entry drug&#8221; argument and the &#8220;cognitive dissonance&#8221; argument. If Americans recognize Colombia as a drug country (which they certainly do), then I would believe that they keep reading more articles about drugs in Colombia &#8211; but not articles about other aspects of Colombia.</p>
<p>Which leaves us a choice between a misrepresentation of a country (Cocaine Colombia) and a non-representation of a country (Uruguay). I don&#8217;t want to speak for Colombians, but I have a feeling that they&#8217;d prefer no representation rather than the current misrepresentation.</p>
<p>Cindylu,</p>
<p>Ha! Of course, Entourage. I&#8217;m miserable when it comes to pop culture.</p>
<p>How is it that the four of you &#8211; all uber bloggers &#8211; don&#8217;t have Gravatars?</p>
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		<title>By: cindylu</title>
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		<dc:creator>cindylu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 04:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you just make up a word? &lt;i&gt;Cleavagest&lt;/i&gt;? Wow. 

And yes, I did get much more out of this than laughing aloud at your short story idea.

Oh, the show that the &lt;i&gt;Medellín&lt;/i&gt; &quot;trailer&quot; is from is Entourage, now Encore. I think Encore is a cable network.

Cuidate, Os&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you just make up a word? <i>Cleavagest</i>? Wow. </p>
<p>And yes, I did get much more out of this than laughing aloud at your short story idea.</p>
<p>Oh, the show that the <i>Medellín</i> &#8220;trailer&#8221; is from is Entourage, now Encore. I think Encore is a cable network.</p>
<p>Cuidate, Os&#8217;.</p>
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