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	<title>Comments on: [Question] Ms. Pac-Man</title>
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	<description>An Irreverent Look at the Glocalized World</description>
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		<title>By: oso</title>
		<link>http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2007/10/13/question-ms-pac-man/comment-page-1/#comment-226403</link>
		<dc:creator>oso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That video is pretty funny, but I found the guy&#039;s voice incredibly annoying for some reason. I think the &#039;ipso facto&#039; had something to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That video is pretty funny, but I found the guy&#8217;s voice incredibly annoying for some reason. I think the &#8216;ipso facto&#8217; had something to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: International Chicana</title>
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		<dc:creator>International Chicana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 04:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Move to Spain and the point is moot. Had no choice, had to keep my last name (was planning on it anyway). 
Also, here everyone is Sra. way too early!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Move to Spain and the point is moot. Had no choice, had to keep my last name (was planning on it anyway).<br />
Also, here everyone is Sra. way too early!</p>
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		<title>By: oso</title>
		<link>http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2007/10/13/question-ms-pac-man/comment-page-1/#comment-226342</link>
		<dc:creator>oso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, in truth, I don&#039;t really have anything against &#039;Ms.&#039; My true hostilities are reserved for my second grade teacher and for all titles, sir.

Speaking of labels. I, too, consider myself an internalized feminist. And an internalized masculinist while I&#039;m at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, in truth, I don&#8217;t really have anything against &#8216;Ms.&#8217; My true hostilities are reserved for my second grade teacher and for all titles, sir.</p>
<p>Speaking of labels. I, too, consider myself an internalized feminist. And an internalized masculinist while I&#8217;m at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Crawford</title>
		<link>http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2007/10/13/question-ms-pac-man/comment-page-1/#comment-226322</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point of marriage is to solidify a partnership bond in a way that grants spiritual (church marriage) and legal (state sponsored) benefits. It&#039;s in the interest of churches and society to have pair-bonded couples, and that&#039;s why those institutions sponsor marriage.

Now, why would a woman not want to announce her status in the workplace? Well, in some quarters there&#039;s hiring and/or wage discrimination against married women because of a theory that women who are married already have a means of survival, through a husband, the converse was and probably still is true, that a married man /deserves/ a higher wage because he has a family to support. &quot;Ms.&quot; as a political construct is thus a way to eliminate the bias against using marriage as a determing factor to judge women in matters where entities might make decisions about rights and benefits based on marriage. And in a larger vein, consider that women might not want to be thought of solely in terms of their choice of partner in life, but rather on their own character and abilities.

I&#039;m perhaps the strangest possible defender of feminism, I&#039;ve become rather lassaiz-faire about my progressive tendencies, but I do think people have a right to try and control the contexts on which they are judged. I think I&#039;ve internalized my feminist tendencies to a degree that it takes concentration to see them as feminist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of marriage is to solidify a partnership bond in a way that grants spiritual (church marriage) and legal (state sponsored) benefits. It&#8217;s in the interest of churches and society to have pair-bonded couples, and that&#8217;s why those institutions sponsor marriage.</p>
<p>Now, why would a woman not want to announce her status in the workplace? Well, in some quarters there&#8217;s hiring and/or wage discrimination against married women because of a theory that women who are married already have a means of survival, through a husband, the converse was and probably still is true, that a married man /deserves/ a higher wage because he has a family to support. &#8220;Ms.&#8221; as a political construct is thus a way to eliminate the bias against using marriage as a determing factor to judge women in matters where entities might make decisions about rights and benefits based on marriage. And in a larger vein, consider that women might not want to be thought of solely in terms of their choice of partner in life, but rather on their own character and abilities.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m perhaps the strangest possible defender of feminism, I&#8217;ve become rather lassaiz-faire about my progressive tendencies, but I do think people have a right to try and control the contexts on which they are judged. I think I&#8217;ve internalized my feminist tendencies to a degree that it takes concentration to see them as feminist.</p>
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		<title>By: oso</title>
		<link>http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2007/10/13/question-ms-pac-man/comment-page-1/#comment-226319</link>
		<dc:creator>oso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, Solana,

OK, so now I understand the history and utility of Ms., but the logic still escapes me. I can understand why unmarried women wouldn&#039;t want anyone to make any assumptions. But isn&#039;t the whole point of marriage to make some sort of public declaration? (To tell you the truth, I&#039;ve never understood the point of marriage at all, but this is what I am told.) So it seems like only a miss would use the mz no? The best solution of course is to get rid of all titles.

Itzpapalotl,

What about Gunnerette?

Cindylu,

You&#039;ll always be Cindylu in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, Solana,</p>
<p>OK, so now I understand the history and utility of Ms., but the logic still escapes me. I can understand why unmarried women wouldn&#8217;t want anyone to make any assumptions. But isn&#8217;t the whole point of marriage to make some sort of public declaration? (To tell you the truth, I&#8217;ve never understood the point of marriage at all, but this is what I am told.) So it seems like only a miss would use the mz no? The best solution of course is to get rid of all titles.</p>
<p>Itzpapalotl,</p>
<p>What about Gunnerette?</p>
<p>Cindylu,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll always be Cindylu in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Solana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tsk, imagine what changing my surname would do to my Google ranking. Surely that custom will be outdated soon. 

Since it&#039;s no one&#039;s business whether I&#039;m married or not, I prefer Ms. But you can call me Solana :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tsk, imagine what changing my surname would do to my Google ranking. Surely that custom will be outdated soon. </p>
<p>Since it&#8217;s no one&#8217;s business whether I&#8217;m married or not, I prefer Ms. But you can call me Solana <img src='http://el-oso.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cindylu</title>
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		<dc:creator>cindylu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as I don&#039;t get called M&#039;am, I&#039;m fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as I don&#8217;t get called M&#8217;am, I&#8217;m fine.</p>
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		<title>By: itzpapalotl</title>
		<link>http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2007/10/13/question-ms-pac-man/comment-page-1/#comment-226309</link>
		<dc:creator>itzpapalotl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ll see about that. I have a cup full of quarters waiting for thar elusive day. And I&#039;ll never be Mrs. Gunn, that&#039;s my mother in law. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ll see about that. I have a cup full of quarters waiting for thar elusive day. And I&#8217;ll never be Mrs. Gunn, that&#8217;s my mother in law. <img src='http://el-oso.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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