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		<title>By: DD</title>
		<link>http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2005/01/16/aggression-and-reconciliation/comment-page-1/#comment-13417</link>
		<dc:creator>DD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t know how I’m going to survive with all my friends becoming lawyers. Already, all their arguments start with, “you have to think about it from a legal perspective.”

Yeah, whatever.

--Oso


The one the I like is, &quot;What would a reasonable person do in the given situation&quot;?

--DD



For me, the real challenge is making the time and knowing where to prioritize, where to invest my time. 

--Oso

Yes, prioritization is key.  Delegating is key.  Balance is key......and then of course you have to set aside some personal thinking time.   

I like what you did with your website.  It is more &quot;reader&quot; friendly.  :)</description>
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I don’t know how I’m going to survive with all my friends becoming lawyers. Already, all their arguments start with, “you have to think about it from a legal perspective.”</p>
<p>Yeah, whatever.</p>
<p>&#8211;Oso</p>
<p>The one the I like is, &#8220;What would a reasonable person do in the given situation&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8211;DD</p>
<p>For me, the real challenge is making the time and knowing where to prioritize, where to invest my time. </p>
<p>&#8211;Oso</p>
<p>Yes, prioritization is key.  Delegating is key.  Balance is key&#8230;&#8230;and then of course you have to set aside some personal thinking time.   </p>
<p>I like what you did with your website.  It is more &#8220;reader&#8221; friendly.  <img src='http://el-oso.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Al Abut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Abut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon: that&#039;s Fredkin&#039;s Paradox kicking your ass in that situation. When it&#039;s hard to decide between two things, you can end up doing neither, even though it probably doesn&#039;t matter which one you pick, which makes you hesitate even more, which adds even more urgency and clouds the thinking, which makes you hestitate even more, etc etc, vicious cycle. That&#039;s why deer freeze - they&#039;d run if they knew which way to go, but the lights in the eyes hide which direction the car is going, so all options are a draw.

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Jon: that&#8217;s Fredkin&#8217;s Paradox kicking your ass in that situation. When it&#8217;s hard to decide between two things, you can end up doing neither, even though it probably doesn&#8217;t matter which one you pick, which makes you hesitate even more, which adds even more urgency and clouds the thinking, which makes you hestitate even more, etc etc, vicious cycle. That&#8217;s why deer freeze &#8211; they&#8217;d run if they knew which way to go, but the lights in the eyes hide which direction the car is going, so all options are a draw.</p>
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		<title>By: jon o</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon o</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always felt that there&#039;s a third, overriding emotion that most people actually choose - fright. Deer in the Headlights. From personal experience, the overriding emotion in a stressful situation is Do Nothing. Freeze. And then shove your head the sand, ala that grandiose grotesque of darwinian humour, the Ostrich. When asked what emotion has most shaped human history, I side with Dostoyevski - Shame. Sel-Pity. That deleterious urge to consciously fuck yourself royally.

I try with Eggers, I really do, but I just can&#039;t get past something in his style, something that I&#039;ve tried defining a hundred different ways but it&#039;s still eluding me, still riding the edge of a subjective I Just Don&#039;t Like the Guy&#039;s Writing subjectivity. Maybe logorrhea is a great term to describe it - the overdose of verbiage when just a simple phrase would do - or maybe it&#039;s his knowitallity (speaking of off the cuff terminology) that gets me, like to use the phrase &#039;that was the most profound pleasure she had ever known.&#039; is to assume, in literary terms, the ability to crawl inside of someone else&#039;s mind, something that I don&#039;t feel one should ever attempt, not even involving the mind of a purely fictional character. I find doing that to be pretentious, and just plain rude. But maybe that&#039;s just me...
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I&#8217;ve always felt that there&#8217;s a third, overriding emotion that most people actually choose &#8211; fright. Deer in the Headlights. From personal experience, the overriding emotion in a stressful situation is Do Nothing. Freeze. And then shove your head the sand, ala that grandiose grotesque of darwinian humour, the Ostrich. When asked what emotion has most shaped human history, I side with Dostoyevski &#8211; Shame. Sel-Pity. That deleterious urge to consciously fuck yourself royally.</p>
<p>I try with Eggers, I really do, but I just can&#8217;t get past something in his style, something that I&#8217;ve tried defining a hundred different ways but it&#8217;s still eluding me, still riding the edge of a subjective I Just Don&#8217;t Like the Guy&#8217;s Writing subjectivity. Maybe logorrhea is a great term to describe it &#8211; the overdose of verbiage when just a simple phrase would do &#8211; or maybe it&#8217;s his knowitallity (speaking of off the cuff terminology) that gets me, like to use the phrase &#8216;that was the most profound pleasure she had ever known.&#8217; is to assume, in literary terms, the ability to crawl inside of someone else&#8217;s mind, something that I don&#8217;t feel one should ever attempt, not even involving the mind of a purely fictional character. I find doing that to be pretentious, and just plain rude. But maybe that&#8217;s just me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mcbk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcbk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I&#039;m very impressed that I can translate this blog into Romantic languages, that&#039;s pretty cool.

However ... I&#039;m waiting on Hebrew and Cyrillic. ;)</description>
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BTW, I&#8217;m very impressed that I can translate this blog into Romantic languages, that&#8217;s pretty cool.</p>
<p>However &#8230; I&#8217;m waiting on Hebrew and Cyrillic. <img src='http://el-oso.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mcbk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcbk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great book ... I have it in my collection.

... which reminds me, I have psych to catch up on... 

To this post, I say, &lt;i&gt;&quot;Amen, hallelujah, and all those other fun things that go on in the choir!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Peace ... and all that happy hippie stuff. ;)</description>
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That&#8217;s a great book &#8230; I have it in my collection.</p>
<p>&#8230; which reminds me, I have psych to catch up on&#8230; </p>
<p>To this post, I say, <i>&#8220;Amen, hallelujah, and all those other fun things that go on in the choir!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Peace &#8230; and all that happy hippie stuff. <img src='http://el-oso.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cindylu</title>
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		<dc:creator>cindylu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate when people, like you, recommend books that I don&#039;t have time (or make time) to read. It makes me feel sad. And by the way, I didn&#039;t start actually engaging in conflict until I got older. Conflict was usually with my parents and I always left that to my older brother because he was really good at it.</description>
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I hate when people, like you, recommend books that I don&#8217;t have time (or make time) to read. It makes me feel sad. And by the way, I didn&#8217;t start actually engaging in conflict until I got older. Conflict was usually with my parents and I always left that to my older brother because he was really good at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Abut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Abut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oso, what an excellent idea! So I stole it and slapped up two lists &lt;a href=&quot;http://alabut.com/nonsense/&quot;&gt;in my blog sidebar&lt;/a&gt; - &quot;books I&#039;ve read&quot; and &quot;books I&#039;m reading&quot; - courtesy of &lt;a href=&quot;http://del.icio.us&quot;&gt;del.icio.us&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://http://www.bigbold.com/rssdigest/&quot;&gt;rssdigest&lt;/a&gt;. Well, the &quot;books I&#039;ve read&quot; isn&#039;t behaving nicely, but you get the idea.

Hooray for the Web 2.0, that took like five minutes max. Yeah, it&#039;s not ground-breaking, Typepad and other blog software already offer this stuff, but it was easy and quick, which is what I&#039;m addicted to these days: simple things to experiment with that don&#039;t ask for big changes in my workflow. The del.icio.us/rssdigest combo has allowed me to extend my plain vanilla blogger templates in a really fun way.

Enough geekery about the tools, back to the meat: I&#039;d love to noodle with your book stack too, so jump on that whenever you can. And I noticed some good pickings in your musical taste. I&#039;m thinking movies and tv shows might be ripe for this too, although I watch very little tv.</description>
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Oso, what an excellent idea! So I stole it and slapped up two lists <a href="http://alabut.com/nonsense/">in my blog sidebar</a> &#8211; &#8220;books I&#8217;ve read&#8221; and &#8220;books I&#8217;m reading&#8221; &#8211; courtesy of <a href="http://del.icio.us">del.icio.us</a> and <a href="http://http://www.bigbold.com/rssdigest/">rssdigest</a>. Well, the &#8220;books I&#8217;ve read&#8221; isn&#8217;t behaving nicely, but you get the idea.</p>
<p>Hooray for the Web 2.0, that took like five minutes max. Yeah, it&#8217;s not ground-breaking, Typepad and other blog software already offer this stuff, but it was easy and quick, which is what I&#8217;m addicted to these days: simple things to experiment with that don&#8217;t ask for big changes in my workflow. The del.icio.us/rssdigest combo has allowed me to extend my plain vanilla blogger templates in a really fun way.</p>
<p>Enough geekery about the tools, back to the meat: I&#8217;d love to noodle with your book stack too, so jump on that whenever you can. And I noticed some good pickings in your musical taste. I&#8217;m thinking movies and tv shows might be ripe for this too, although I watch very little tv.</p>
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		<title>By: oso</title>
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		<dc:creator>oso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al,

I thought I first heard of Frans De Waal through IT Conversations as well. But then after looking around a little bit, I found out that he wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,511654,00.html&quot;&gt;The Ape and the Sushi Master&lt;/a&gt;, which I read a few chapters of while waiting for a friend to get ready for a party. I remember thinking to myself, I must find this book and finish reading it. I never did, but I&#039;m looking for it again now.

I know I would never follow through on an actual book club, but I do want to start keeping a booklog on my sidebar so that people know what books I&#039;m reading and I&#039;d like to know what they&#039;re reading. Obviously, we like reading a lot of the same stuff ... so if I see you recommend a book, I&#039;d be all over it.

DD,

I don&#039;t know how I&#039;m going to survive with all my friends becoming lawyers. Already, all their arguments start with, &quot;you have to think about it from a legal perspective.&quot;

Yeah, whatever.

Anyway, I think you&#039;re right. Going to cafes is key. Sometimes you have to really remind yourself to &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; ask how the other person has been feeling. To dig deeper. I&#039;m a big fan of taking walks to. For some reason, conversation flows easier for me while I&#039;m walking. (actually, I&#039;ve got a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.middlemiss.org/lit/australian/songlines.html&quot;&gt;theory&lt;/a&gt; as to why.)

For me, the real challenge is making the time and knowing where to prioritize, where to invest my time. In all truth, I should probably be spending less time typing in this little box and more walking on the beach with those I care about.</description>
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Al,</p>
<p>I thought I first heard of Frans De Waal through IT Conversations as well. But then after looking around a little bit, I found out that he wrote <a href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,511654,00.html">The Ape and the Sushi Master</a>, which I read a few chapters of while waiting for a friend to get ready for a party. I remember thinking to myself, I must find this book and finish reading it. I never did, but I&#8217;m looking for it again now.</p>
<p>I know I would never follow through on an actual book club, but I do want to start keeping a booklog on my sidebar so that people know what books I&#8217;m reading and I&#8217;d like to know what they&#8217;re reading. Obviously, we like reading a lot of the same stuff &#8230; so if I see you recommend a book, I&#8217;d be all over it.</p>
<p>DD,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how I&#8217;m going to survive with all my friends becoming lawyers. Already, all their arguments start with, &#8220;you have to think about it from a legal perspective.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, whatever.</p>
<p>Anyway, I think you&#8217;re right. Going to cafes is key. Sometimes you have to really remind yourself to <em>really</em> ask how the other person has been feeling. To dig deeper. I&#8217;m a big fan of taking walks to. For some reason, conversation flows easier for me while I&#8217;m walking. (actually, I&#8217;ve got a <a href="http://www.middlemiss.org/lit/australian/songlines.html">theory</a> as to why.)</p>
<p>For me, the real challenge is making the time and knowing where to prioritize, where to invest my time. In all truth, I should probably be spending less time typing in this little box and more walking on the beach with those I care about.</p>
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		<title>By: DD</title>
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		<dc:creator>DD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But how do you sustain those moments? And especially in a relationship. It’s so easy for us to take each other for granted. Sometimes we get drunk or do drugs and go dancing … that can do the trick temporarily, but it feels fake and it doesn’t satisfy the emotional need like the real thing.

--Oso

I suppose you can sustain those moments by visiting a coffee shop and thinking of conversational topics?  Such as........asking your friend/lover questions like:

&quot;What are your dreams and aspirations&quot;?

&quot;How do you feel about this situation&quot;?

&quot;What do you live and breathe for in life&quot;?

You know.........the thought provoking questions.

Dancing is good because it is a method of good cardio exercise.  It gets your endorphins going.  :)</description>
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But how do you sustain those moments? And especially in a relationship. It’s so easy for us to take each other for granted. Sometimes we get drunk or do drugs and go dancing … that can do the trick temporarily, but it feels fake and it doesn’t satisfy the emotional need like the real thing.</p>
<p>&#8211;Oso</p>
<p>I suppose you can sustain those moments by visiting a coffee shop and thinking of conversational topics?  Such as&#8230;&#8230;..asking your friend/lover questions like:</p>
<p>&#8220;What are your dreams and aspirations&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;How do you feel about this situation&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;What do you live and breathe for in life&#8221;?</p>
<p>You know&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;the thought provoking questions.</p>
<p>Dancing is good because it is a method of good cardio exercise.  It gets your endorphins going.  <img src='http://el-oso.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DD</title>
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		<dc:creator>DD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good entry, Oso.

&#039;It’s no secret to anyone who knows me that I am of the second breed. I don’t fight, I fly. I’m trying to work on it. I’m trying to deal with conflicts as they come up, but I have little patience for - what often feels like - arguing for the sake of arguing&#039;.

--Oso

I am a fighter, but I try to choose my battles.  Keyword is try.

My advice to you?  Never, ever, ever marry a lawyer....they live for the sake of argument. ;)</description>
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Good entry, Oso.</p>
<p>&#8216;It’s no secret to anyone who knows me that I am of the second breed. I don’t fight, I fly. I’m trying to work on it. I’m trying to deal with conflicts as they come up, but I have little patience for &#8211; what often feels like &#8211; arguing for the sake of arguing&#8217;.</p>
<p>&#8211;Oso</p>
<p>I am a fighter, but I try to choose my battles.  Keyword is try.</p>
<p>My advice to you?  Never, ever, ever marry a lawyer&#8230;.they live for the sake of argument. <img src='http://el-oso.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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