Comments on: Coffee Notes http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/ An Irreverent Look at the Glocalized World Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:48:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: DD http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-48321 DD Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:03:08 +0000 http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/#comment-48321 Whoaaaaaaaaaaa! Jesus was listed as number 1? *snow skiier talk* Kewl dude! Aaaaall right! :lol: Whoaaaaaaaaaaa!

Jesus was listed as number 1?

*snow skiier talk* Kewl dude! Aaaaall right! :lol:

]]> By: oso http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-2876 oso Sat, 13 Nov 2004 04:08:37 +0000 http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/#comment-2876 Nice. Good find hombre. That's exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. How'd you hear about it? Nice. Good find hombre. That’s exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. How’d you hear about it?

]]> By: oso http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-2853 oso Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:08:34 +0000 http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/#comment-2853 Of course it's a political ploy. But it's also an excellent opportunity. This is exactly what I'm talking about - a moderate from the church (certainly not an Athiest) - needs to take a stand and say something like "while we believe it's important to acknowledge God as our creator, we do not agree with legislation that defines him as the "sovereign source of law." I mean, those are four frightening words and they should be condemned outright. Of course it’s a political ploy. But it’s also an excellent opportunity. This is exactly what I’m talking about – a moderate from the church (certainly not an Athiest) – needs to take a stand and say something like “while we believe it’s important to acknowledge God as our creator, we do not agree with legislation that defines him as the “sovereign source of law.”

I mean, those are four frightening words and they should be condemned outright.

]]> By: Abogado http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-2852 Abogado Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:46:55 +0000 http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/#comment-2852 I had not heard of that, but the article is right, check out the text: "the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review, by appeal, writ of certiorari, or otherwise, any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an element of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official personal capacity), by reason of that element's or officer's acknowledgement of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.'" It was, of course, intorduced by Judge Roy Moore of Ten Commandments fame, which suggests to me that it is a similarly motivated poltical ploy. It looks to me like it is not as far-reaching as they make it out to be,but it is not something to be taken lightly. I had not heard of that, but the article is right, check out the text:

“the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review, by appeal, writ of certiorari, or otherwise, any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an element of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official personal capacity), by reason of that element’s or officer’s acknowledgement of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.’”

It was, of course, intorduced by Judge Roy Moore of Ten Commandments fame, which suggests to me that it is a similarly motivated poltical ploy. It looks to me like it is not as far-reaching as they make it out to be,but it is not something to be taken lightly.

]]> By: Paul http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-2834 Paul Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:04:16 +0000 http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/#comment-2834 Elenita, That's sweet...I can't wait for Tiger. Elenamary, What's important, I think, is keeping legislation free of religion. Slogan that are printed on money and what not are just historical references, at best. You could follow your argument to it's logical conclusion and take references to religious beliefs of the founding fathers out of history books as well. Maybe that's not the best example, but, while I don't disagree with you, I don't think it's imperative to keeping the state and the church free of one another. Abogado, I agree and disagree. You can't completely seperate religious or spiritual beliefs from political decisions, but you can (as I'd like to think I do) understand that religious beliefs aren't healthy for society to legislate and incorporate into the political structure of society and thus, while not letting go of those beliefs, keep them seperate from said decisions...to an extent. Elenita,
That’s sweet…I can’t wait for Tiger.

Elenamary,
What’s important, I think, is keeping legislation free of religion. Slogan that are printed on money and what not are just historical references, at best. You could follow your argument to it’s logical conclusion and take references to religious beliefs of the founding fathers out of history books as well. Maybe that’s not the best example, but, while I don’t disagree with you, I don’t think it’s imperative to keeping the state and the church free of one another.

Abogado,
I agree and disagree. You can’t completely seperate religious or spiritual beliefs from political decisions, but you can (as I’d like to think I do) understand that religious beliefs aren’t healthy for society to legislate and incorporate into the political structure of society and thus, while not letting go of those beliefs, keep them seperate from said decisions…to an extent.

]]> By: Abogado http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-2832 Abogado Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:57:58 +0000 http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/#comment-2832 Elanamary - When faced with a difficult decision how can a person (say a President, legislator or parent) act without considering their most basic beliefs and principles? I am not religious per se, but I know that I could not act in such a disconnected way. Even as an athiest (or at best agnostic) I can appreciate the fact that religion (as a set of moral principles) must guide a person in making decisions. That does not mean they should consult the Bible or the Pope or even a pastor or ask "what would jesus do?" every time they pass a law. I'm simply thinking that it is unrealistic to ask a politician to separate her actions from her beliefs. Maybe I mean moral beliefs more than religious ones, but I think they are inherently linked and would be surprised to hear that religious-minded people separate the two. Elanamary – When faced with a difficult decision how can a person (say a President, legislator or parent) act without considering their most basic beliefs and principles? I am not religious per se, but I know that I could not act in such a disconnected way. Even as an athiest (or at best agnostic) I can appreciate the fact that religion (as a set of moral principles) must guide a person in making decisions. That does not mean they should consult the Bible or the Pope or even a pastor or ask “what would jesus do?” every time they pass a law. I’m simply thinking that it is unrealistic to ask a politician to separate her actions from her beliefs. Maybe I mean moral beliefs more than religious ones, but I think they are inherently linked and would be surprised to hear that religious-minded people separate the two.

]]> By: elenamary http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-2831 elenamary Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:28:07 +0000 http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/#comment-2831 <b>Abogado</b>, what do you mean by "religious beliefs when making political decisions". I am a pseudo-practicing Catholic, I only go to mass once every two months or so. I believe in God, Jesus Christ and claro La Virgen de Guadalupe, but I do not ever want politics in my religon or religion in my politics. I think the question becomes, what is "politics"? <b>Paul</b>, why shouldn't we remove the word "God" from basic things like our money. Their are USians who do not believe in a God or Gods. I might, and you might, but why should they have to have faith in a God? Or be told that one exisits since we trust in "it". <b>Oso</b>, I was in México when Zedillo was running for president. He had a rally and had marched down the street with a large poster of La Virgen behind him. It made the news, was a huge controversy, and I believe he was fined <em>because<em /> it is illegal to use a religous symbols in political campagins. Can you please explain what you mean your views on the word "secularism". <b>Bobby</b> ¡Cien Mexicanos! Y no hay que ser tan vulgar.</em></em> Abogado, what do you mean by “religious beliefs when making political decisions”. I am a pseudo-practicing Catholic, I only go to mass once every two months or so. I believe in God, Jesus Christ and claro La Virgen de Guadalupe, but I do not ever want politics in my religon or religion in my politics. I think the question becomes, what is “politics”?

Paul, why shouldn’t we remove the word “God” from basic things like our money. Their are USians who do not believe in a God or Gods. I might, and you might, but why should they have to have faith in a God? Or be told that one exisits since we trust in “it”.

Oso, I was in México when Zedillo was running for president. He had a rally and had marched down the street with a large poster of La Virgen behind him. It made the news, was a huge controversy, and I believe he was fined because it is illegal to use a religous symbols in political campagins.

Can you please explain what you mean your views on the word “secularism”.

Bobby ¡Cien Mexicanos! Y no hay que ser tan vulgar.

]]> By: Elenita http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-2825 Elenita Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:52:06 +0000 http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/#comment-2825 Totally different strain of discussion here, but FYI, the metadata in Tiger will be all XML-based. It's totally intergrated into the OS, including the Terminal. As a result, even formats that have choked on command-line work (e.g., jpegs) will be manipulated through your favorite shell. There's nothing quite like messing around with data and data about data in Unix. Totally different strain of discussion here, but FYI, the metadata in Tiger will be all XML-based. It’s totally intergrated into the OS, including the Terminal. As a result, even formats that have choked on command-line work (e.g., jpegs) will be manipulated through your favorite shell.

There’s nothing quite like messing around with data and data about data in Unix.

]]> By: Bobby http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-2824 Bobby Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:27:06 +0000 http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/#comment-2824 Family Feud motherfucker. Family Feud motherfucker.

]]> By: Paul http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-2823 Paul Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:53:14 +0000 http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2004/11/10/coffee-notes/#comment-2823 It's all a stupid popularity contest. Einstein shamelessly bribed the 100 Mexicans to get his spot. It’s all a stupid popularity contest. Einstein shamelessly bribed the 100 Mexicans to get his spot.

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